In Part 2 of this interview, NLP & communications expert, Ell Graniel, shares the 3 keys to overcoming imposter syndrome as well as her book-writing journey, PLUS an awesome meditation to help you hear your inner guide and get over imposter syndrome.
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3 Key Points
When you make choices from the gut, you don’t have to know why, just go with it.
You can change your circumstances; you don’t have to stay unhappy.
The 3 keys to changing are awareness, breathing and journaling.
Ellen ([00:00]): Hi, I’m Ellen Violette, and you’re listening to Episode 99 of the Books Open Doors Podcast. On this episode, I’ll be continuing my conversation with communication expert, Ell Graniel, on imposter syndrome and we’ll also talk about her book journey and at the end, we’re also going to have a meditation to help you get centered and help you to kick the imposter syndrome. so, let’s do this.
Music: Welcome to the Books Open Doors Podcast. Are you a mission-driven speaker, coach, consultant, thought leader, creative entrepreneur, or author who wants more credibility, financial abundance, and wants to make a bigger impact in the world and leave a lasting legacy, and who wants to have fun doing it? Then stay tuned for today’s inspiring podcast with your host, Ellen Violette.
Ellen: We’re back. So, let me tell you about Ell Graniel. Ell Graniel is a communication expert, whose passion for leadership ignited over three decades ago working as a manager for 24-Hour Fitness and keynote speaker for influential companies like Beachbody. Her history spans over twenty-five years with research in the neuroscience behind synapsis receptor and the reward center of the brain.
She has a degree in communications, training and certifications in neurolinguistics programming, negotiation, personality-type predictors, and authored three international best-selling books. She’s a creator of Truespeak, her interpersonal communication training company and resides in Honolulu, Hawaii. So, let’s jump right in.
Ell:: And it’s the same idea. Right. When we’re-
Ellen ([01:54]): It’s weird though. It’s weird though because the part that is just amazing to me is the intuitive part.
Ell: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ellen ([02:04]): Because I got in a place where I was pretty stuck in 2018 and I was really at the point of…am I going to quit or am I going to do something different because this isn’t making me happy? And I scraped together,. I mean, I was at a low point with cash flow, just everything was a mess. And because I had just tried to do my bootcamp and I only got one person into it and I was devastated. And so, I was like, “I can’t keep doing this. I mean I’m giving and giving and giving and it’s just not working.”
And I scraped together $125 and I went to my mentor from a class that it was lifelong, so I could go in and out any time. And so, I went to him and it wasn’t the best way to do it because he didn’t resonate with me in terms of a lot of what he says I can look at now from the outside and go, “Yeah, it all works.” But it didn’t resonate with me because he’s kind of in a different space than I am. Does that make sense?
Ell ([3:00]): Yes.
Ellen: He’s more business people and I’m more creative, mission-driven people. It’s kind of a little bit different. But he said, “Start a podcast.” And the thing that made me so mad at myself was I had taken the course on doing it ten years earlier and I didn’t do anything. And the reason I didn’t do anything was because I got overwhelmed by all the information. There was no coaching with it. Today I would never take a course like the way that this one was set up, but that’s what it was. I have taken other courses that didn’t have coaching with it, but it depends on what the program is.
([3:42]) But anyway, so I did the first podcast and I spent nine months trying to do what he was telling me to do and it just didn’t resonate with me at all. And so, I dumped it and started over from the inside out. And that was the beginning of moving forward again.
And then I took a course with one mentor and then another mentor. Anyway, just snowballed from there. But in the meantime, my husband was saying, “Why are you doing this? Why are you taking this course and that course? That’s not what you’re saying you want to do? Why are you doing this?” I said, “I don’t know. I’m just impressed to do it.” I just did what I was impressed to do and just follow it.
Ell ([04:17]): Yeah. I like that feeling when we make those choices from the heart or the gut.
Ellen: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ell: It just feels good. And you don’t have to know why, because you need to turn that corner that you’ve been afraid to turn.
Ell ([4:33]): Or, you don’t know why you were stuck and can’t turn the corner. And then those types of things help you turn the corner and then oh, you can see.
Ellen: Yeah. And sometimes I need to do something to see, “Oh, okay. I learn that now. I see that’s not something I want to do.” And unfortunately, that could be an expensive lesson because you paid for it. But-
Ell ([04:54]): That just happened to me. I paid for an Instagram course to help boost your presence and such. And so, I paid for the course and I never took it, and I dabbled in it and I’m like, “Ew, this is icky.” And so, I ended paying somebody to watch the course, do the work for me and just give me the spark notes.
Ellen: Oh nice.
Ellen: Hey, whatever works. Whatever works. I mean, that’s kind of not a bad idea for some things.
Ell: Think of how many people have bought these courses because there’s a lot of online stuff now. Right? And they’re just sitting on your computer. How many courses do people have stacked up that they-
Ellen: Oh, I have a few.
Ell ([05:45]): They have to watch. And so, it would be good to give yourself permission to just let them go or possibly gift them to somebody else if that’s possible.
Ellen: Well, I have one that I bought because I knew it came with lifetime updates and I know that I will use it, but I’m not there yet. So, I bought it at that time because it was on sale and because I knew I would get lifetime updates and other courses. I mean, this guy gives you everything he does after that. So, that was okay. But there was something else I was going to say about that and I forgot what it was. Oh, well.
Ell ([06:17]): Right. When you mentioned earlier about being unhappy, I find it fascinating as a coach because most people come to me because they’re unhappy in some area and they want to get over that hurdle. Right? Is that so many people are unhappy and they know they’re unhappy. And…
Ellen: They don’t know what to do.
Ell ([06:34]): And they know why they’re unhappy and they just don’t do anything about it. They just accept it. When I was saying I got bullied for being poor in a trailer park. Right? I was like, “That’s just my lot in life.” It breaks my heart that people think that “that’s just my lot in life to be unhappy”.
Ellen: No, to me when I’ve been unhappy, it’s been more I don’t know what I want. And that’s one of the other things that I found out I’m not alone. That that’s a very woman thing. That a lot of women don’t know what they want because they’re told from a very young age that they shouldn’t want anything. Right? That they should just stay in the background. That they should support men. That they should be there for their kids, and then they don’t know what they want. And then when you mix that with imposter syndrome… it’s “I don’t know what I want and it’s telling me that I’m not good enough to do this or I can’t do that.” Between the two, it can be very difficult.
Ell ([07:32]): It’s a recipe for being stuck in the mud for your entire life. And another thing too, as you’re talking about money is women aren’t allowed to spend money on themselves. It’s a lot of guilt that comes with, say if that program costs $1,000 but you want it and it’s lifetime, so that’s not even a dollar a day or whatever. When you look at its lifetime value. But so many people, women would feel like $1,000, I can’t spend that on myself. It’s not-
Ellen: I never quite had it at that level because I did grow up in a family with money. I mean that was the one good thing. My dad took me shopping to Saks and bought me nice clothes and things. So, that part was good. But the message I got anyway was “You can have these things but you can’t get them for yourself.”
Ell: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ellen ([08:26]): In other words, they have to be given to you because otherwise you’re not going to be a nice girl because now you’re going to be a bitch or, you know what I mean? Aggressive. And the one thing you said to me was “I don’t care if you never make a dime as long as you’re nice.”
Ell: Yeah. Wow.
Ellen: Yeah. That was the message.
Ell: Woo. Yeah. And that comes at an age where number one, we’re believing our father because father figure and-
Ellen: Oh, I adored my father.
Ell ([08:49]): And his intention was not to hurt you at all. It was to make sure you were cared for.
Ellen: Yeah. Yeah.
Ell: And that he would never want for anything and all you had to do was be nice.
Ellen ([08:58]): Right. But the irony of it is, is when I was in the music business and my husband and I were struggling but trying so hard to make it work and we totally believed in me. And I remember my dad said to me, “I totally believe that you’re going to get there one day.” He didn’t know I was going to leave and go into coaching. But he also was annoyed that I wasn’t making money, ironically, at that point, because he was helping me and he didn’t want to help me anymore.
Ell: Ironically, that is so interesting.
Ellen: Yeah. Yeah.
Ell ([09:27]): But yes. And we grow up, hopefully, and we evolve like we were talking about earlier. So, my oldest is in the film industry, which is a very male-dominated industry also as you know being from the music side. And so-
Ellen: Yeah. My niece is in it.
Ell: She is a ball breaker. So, people have called her a witch with a capital B many, many times. And if she were a man, she would be called successful.
Ell ([10:04]): …doing all of those things. But as a woman saying those things, taking charge, claiming those positions, she’s a witch. So, it doesn’t bother her. She was on both mom and dad’s side, go for it. And she’s a little more masculine, which helps to have a more of the masculine tendencies kind of intuitively or genetically. But it’s just so fascinating to know that if we look at these people that are doing what she’s doing and because she’s a woman, she’s still not as far as some of these men that are ten years younger than her, because they just have it a little bit easier.
Ellen ([10:47]) Yeah. I have a colleague who was a salesperson in a company and became the number-one salesperson in the country and thought that that was going to get her into the club. And instead what happened was they hated her for it. They ended up firing her or I may be mistaking, they may have fired her or they just gave all her best clients to a man and she left. I can’t remember which she did, but the point was they took it away from her and gave it to a man. Yeah. And that was one reason I never really had any aspirations for being in corporate America anyway.
That was never an option for me. I just knew that I would never fit into that culture, but thank God, because I’ve had a lot less of that kind of stuff in my work than I would have had I gone that route. But still what’s disturbing to me is how all these things do affect you even when you think they’re not, or even when you are successful and people look at me and go, “Well, you’re successful.” But I could be more successful if I didn’t have certain things that I have, certain parts of my personality that I’m working on.
Ell ([12:06]): And that also falls back on when we let go of the blame. Right? So, we can blame men. We can blame society. We can blame the corporate with the glass ceiling for women. But when we get over the blame and say, “What are we going to do about it?” Which is where you say, “You’ve been stuck before. Well, what am I going to do about it?” And then that’s when we find the right tribes or we read the right books. Right?
Or, we get in the right little groups of people, start a mastermind. Those kinds of things are the first steps to help get us out of being stuck and unhappy and to taking the action steps that also show people who know us, wow, they’re actually doing something. They’re not just talking about it.
Or in, in many cases, just whining about it, just complaining. Right? So, what do those action steps look like? And they look like masterminds. They look like being around like-minded people who are… And that doesn’t mean that there can’t be men in your group. Right? As long as it’s the same playing field feel to this person, the energy that they to the group is really valuable. And we have the power, and that’s where I started with. Right?
([13:17]) We have the power. And it starts with our thoughts, kicking those old thoughts to the curb that we’re not enough or that being nice is the only way to get what you want whatever it might be. We all have a little different story spinning in there. But to ask yourself, “What do I want? How can I get there? And who can help me?”
Ellen: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ell: Those are just really true.
([13:42]) Ellen: Yeah. And I want to share this because it might help somebody else. I’m a Grammy-nominated songwriter. And now I think “Am I good enough?” Am I good enough to do this? And it’s not because I’m not good enough, it’s because I haven’t done it for twenty-five years, and now I’m trying to get back in. And that is scary as hell. Let me tell you.
Ell: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ellen: It is, but those same things come up. “Do I still have it? Can I do it again?” All that kind of stuff. And so, I just want to encourage people that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try.
Ell: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ellen ([14:14]): And I don’t think it’s really about that. I think it’s just being able to put in enough time to get it back. It’s like when I was doing it, I was in the studio all the time and I got it from osmosis. When I started I was a lyricist, but just by being in the studio I became a producer. And then by being in the studio more, I started writing my own music. Right now, I don’t know if I could write my way out of a paper bag. Right? But I’ve been sitting down and just kind of tinkering at the piano and just kind of playing around with it.
And I was saying to my husband last night, “How did I used to write songs? Because it wasn’t feeling like this. I don’t think I did it like that because I’m not a very good piano player.” And what I think I did was I started with the lyrics because that’s what I’m good at. Right? And just kind of playing around with the cadence and going from there.
So, that comes back to again, start from what you are good at. Start from figuring out what your zone of genius is, where it’s easy for you and start there, and then kind of build on that. And I think that instead of jumping into the deep end and going, “Oh my God, I’m not good enough.” Well maybe you’re not good enough today, but it doesn’t mean you’re not good enough.
Ell ([15:22]): Mm-hmm (affirmative). And you mentioned zone of genius, which is so important because what happens, and then again, this is women, so you said your zone of genius is writing. Right? So, the lyrics, it just comes, it flows it’s you. So, we think that that’s not a talent because we’re so good at it.
Ell ([15:45]): Yeah. So, that we think, well writing the music is the hard part. That’s the skill, because that’s not where we flow. Right? We’re people who can play music and it’s “Oh, it needs the words to bring this to life.” Right? So, they’re wishing they had you and you’re wishing. And so, it’s finding those people, right? to make the blend, to make the magic happen.
Ellen: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Ell ([16:07]): And so, it’s long time ago it did use to be in the studio and less people and now things are… One of my best friends has a best friend who’s a famous musician and there because of the circumstances they’re making their music over, not Zoom, but some program. They’re not even in the same room.
Ellen: Pro Tools. Probably. Yeah.
Ell ([16:32])): And they’re making music. Right? So, number one, times have changed. Right? And so now we’re just going to say, “Look at all this exciting opportunity and guess what? I’ve already done a lot of this already. And so now I need to just jump in here. I don’t have to jump in at the ground level.” And so, remember how talented you are and that people want and need what you do.
Ellen ([16:55])): Right. But I will say the other side of that is it’s I was looking at this course that I want to take with a famous songwriter. I’ve noticed a few of them are doing this now, and you need a piece of equipment to do it. And I mean, just from talking to you today, I think what was happening was I was saying to myself, I’m scared of the technical side of it. I never knew the technical side of it. So that side kind of scares me. And I don’t know if I’m really good at that or not. And then the truth is, there’s just a part of my mind that goes, “I don’t want to do that.”
And I was in the studio, we paid other people to do all that, but it’s thousands of dollars to do that. And the record business just isn’t what it used to be. I mean, you can’t, you don’t get the kind of cuts now that you got back then. So, it’s even less practical than it was then. But the other side of it is what was great was what you said about being able to spend 20%. So, seeing what that 20% is and then saying, “Okay, well I’m scared of this and I don’t even know if I’m good at it, but I’m going to do it anyway.” Right?
Or, you do what you just said, which is you find somebody else who’s going to do that and you just don’t do it. So that’s just a decision that has to be made. But instead, what we tend to do is find the reasons we shouldn’t do it. Right? Right. And that’s what we really have to fight. That’s what we really have to fight, is getting that clarity, knowing what you want, and then “How am I going to do this? “Not, “Oh, I can’t do this.” Or, that kind of thing.
Ell: Right. Absolutely. And being an NLP-certified, and I’m also a word nerd, because I’ve been writing forever and reading books.
Ell ([18:28]): From kindergarten is sometimes it’s just semantics, everything’s just semantics. All the words we choose mean something. Right? That’s why I’m not a fan of cussing, and people cuss a lot.
Ell: I’m like “Do you not know any other… Is that the only adjective you know or-?” It’s frustrating to me. And so, anyhow, I got off on a tangent. Point B. [crosstalk [00:18:54].
Ellen: No, that’s okay. Yeah.
Ell: When we say “I’m investing,” not “I’m spending”.
Ell: Spending sounds like a loss, the money’s gone, whereas an investment sounds like the money’s coming back.
Ellen: Right. Also get rid of “but” and say “and”.
Ell: Yeah. Exactly.
Ellen: Yeah. That was another good one. She (Rachel Rogers in We Should All Be Millionaires) says, “I want to get this house, but I can’t afford it.” Right? “I want to get this house and I can’t afford it.” The change in your thinking is how can I from I can’t just by changing that word.
Ell ([19:26]): There’s rarely a place in language where but is actually correct. Right? So even if we’re talking and then you want to interject something and you say “Yes, but-” You’re negating the yes. You might as well just say, “But I need to say something in disagreement.” Right? So, it could be “Yes and” meaning I hear what you’re saying and I’d like to add more. So yeah. But’s a big one.
Ell: I wrote something about that a long time ago about how big is your but? Because I’ve had a long-time history of fitness. Right? So, would it fit. And it’s so easy to do once you become aware. Right? Which was the third step. So, we talked about breathing and journaling and then awareness because nothing can shift if you’re not aware that it’s even happening or aware that it could be another way, a better way.
Ellen ([20:23])): Right. Well, so let me ask you one more question. How have your books enhanced your business or have they? What have they done for you?
Ell: So my first one I wrote in 2006, Chocolate Cake for the Thighs‑ The Anti‑Diet Book for Women. And the reason why I wrote it and I self-published it was because I taught fitness classes and I would always give a tip. And then one time one of the ladies said, “Are you writing these down? Because these are gold and should be in a book.” And I was like, “I don’t know.”
And so, I did that back in 2006 and then ten years later I realized that my ladies have aged up and now there’s some physical conditions like diabetes or hypertension even though they’re working out. So, I wrote a more serious book and that’s when I wrote the one Get Happier & Healthier Now: 7-Steps to Improved Health & a Body You Can Love. That’s where my books shifted.
([21:25]): So the first one was for fun and to say I’ve published a book and it felt amazing. And it still sells. It’s still on the Amazon top 10 in health and fitness randomly. And I still get royalty checks and that’s fun and amazing all in its own. But the second book became a certification, a training program. And that’s where your books really make a difference.
Yes, it’s great to hit the bestseller list. Yes, it’s great to get royalties, but that’s not changing lives. And that’s the reason why I wrote the second book, I wanted people to reclaim their health. And so, when it became a workshop, right? And then it became a training, and then I was coaching people and all of that, but there was still something missing. And it’s because, I told you, I’m a word nerd and I love to write. And my area of expertise is communication.
([22:17]) And so, the fitness thing was fun and easy, but I really wanted to write on communication. And so that’s how the third book came about. The Team Whisperer: Successfully Lead a Cross-Generation, Race, and Gender Team. And that book is all about how you talk to people. Excuse me. How they speak to you.
Why do you allow people to talk to you that way? And why do you talk differently to some people than to others? Excuse me. Like men versus women.
So, the books have made and so that one is now actually going to be a certification for continuing education for people who have designations in the workplace and they need to keep the CECs going. And so, I’m really excited about that one because beginner and middle management, entry and middle management, they don’t get any training very often.
They just get thrown in or raised up into these positions. And so, then the employee retention is horrible because these managers, they’re not horrible people. They just don’t know how to communicate across different types of channels, right? of learning styles and all that kind of thing.
([23:29]) And so now, it lights me up to know that people can want to come to work because the manager is motivating and inspiring. They wake up and they want to do their job. Whereas before they woke up and just didn’t want to come in and just did the work and left and claimed the paycheck. And so that’s where it’s headed now. So, the book started with “This is fun” and now “This is life-changing” and now it led me then to my passion, which is communication. And so, I’m still doing that work now.
Ellen: Oh, nice.
Ell ([24:03]): But the thing about a book is, so non-fiction is what I’m doing. I had to think for a sec. Fiction is totally fun. And that’s where you want to make the money. Right.? That’s where book sales make a difference. And so, I’m dabbling now in Kindle Vella.
Ellen: Oh, oh.
Ell: Yeah. So, in the first time in my life I’m writing fiction and I never thought I could write fiction, but I’ve always wanted to. And so now, I’m doing it in little baby steps and it’s so fun.
Ellen: Oh, good. That’s great.
Ell: Yeah. So, books they saved my life. They got me out of the trailer park because when you read a fiction you go there.
Ell: So, you’re sitting in poverty, you’re there.
Ellen: Yeah. Music and books saved my life too.
Ell: Yeah. Music.
Ellen: And a book literally saved my life when I got sick. Yeah.
Ell: Yeah. So, thanks for asking that question. I got all excited talking about it.
Ellen ([24:58]): So, you have something to give my listeners?
Ell: Oh, absolutely. So, we did the little breath work in the beginning (in the last interview https://booksopendoors.com/podcast/imposter). And so, do we have time for me to do a three-minute, one directed specifically towards the (inaudible)?
Ell ([25:17]): So, if you, again, are not driving, if you’re able to close your eyes. So right now, the process that we’re going to go through, all I’m asking you is to have no judgment, just let it flow, whatever you see, whatever you hear, it’s like watching leaves going down a lazy river. Just let it flow. That’s the only precondition that I would say I would have.
So, with your eyes closed, we’re going back to the breath. So, allow yourself to breathe in however you’re comfortable, through the nose or mouth or both. And then let go with the exhalation and keep this going so that you have a nice ebb and flow of in, deep and full, nice and slow. Exhale even slower, letting go.
Breathing in, remembering that the breath in brings all the love and light that you deserve and it’s there for you in abundance. And then when you let go, release anything that’s not serving you so that you become centered here and now. And allow that centering of breath in and breath out, and more oxygen brings you to the alpha level of consciousness where the chatty mind can slow down. Breathing big, exhale, relax and just kind of scan your body and see how you’re feeling physically.
And if you’re feeling anything that needs addressing, just take a moment right now and in your mind say, “I’m listening.” And listen to your body for just a moment. And then tell your body, “Thanks for sharing. I heard you.” If you got a message. And then, with one more breath, big deep in, exhale, oh, letting go.
Ell ([27:56]): And now allow your thoughts to drift up. Allow your third eye to drift up into the sky, the heavens, the universe, and just float there for a moment. And while you’re floating there ask, “What’s my message? I’m listening.” And then say, “Thanks for sharing.” And if that message felt benevolent, loving, kind supportive, then go ahead and draw it inside where you can remember anytime you need to be reminded how amazing you are as you drift back down to your body becoming one. And then we’ll finish by having you place your hands over your heart and just tell your body, “Thank you. I love you.Thank you.
“I love you for everything you do for me every day without me having to ask because you love me so unconditionally, and I promise to be a better listener and a better caretaker of this temple. And so, it is.” And then when that feels complete and that promise feels good, go ahead and open your eyes. Come on back taking all the time you need.
And then just notice the “woo”, the feeling of “woo”. Oh, that kind of nice twilight feeling. That happens when we get out of the ego and we connect. And so, the gift is maybe you got a message maybe you didn’t, but you liked the process because what I’d like to offer you all is just to email me, “I’d like another session.”
Ell ([30:12]): Because I can’t hear you and I can’t see you and I can help you best when I can do both. And so, just email me, “Yes, I’d like a session.” Or “A session, please.” Anything like that. And then I’ll email you back my calendar and you can hop on. Just be aware I’m in Hawaii so the appointments will little late for some of you but so I’d like to give you a free 30-minute session where we deep dive and then we have a dialogue with those voices. And if they’re imposters, we kick them to the curb.
If they’re looking for elevation and they’re ready, then we bring them on board and give them the new language, let them know it’s 2021 and kind of reset you. So, my email is firstname.lastname@example.org. So, I-N-F-O-@-T-R-U-E-S-P-E-A-K.us. And you know it’s funny because I didn’t get truespeak.com back in the day and a lot of people still give me crap about it. But I liked US because it’s us. I like the way it felt inclusive to me, whereas .com felt like a business and .us felt like us.
Ellen ([31:25]): Well, I would just say if you could get .com I would just have it redirect to US.
Ell: I know because that’s what people put in.
Ell: Yeah. Exactly.
Ellen: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
Ell: So, yeah. That’s my gift to you all. I’d like to spend a little one on one time with you. So just tell me, “Yes. I’d like a session.” And then I’ll send you the calendar link.
Ellen: Okay. That’s awesome. And I will definitely take you up on it.
Ellen: Okay. So, thank you so much. This has been awesome.
Ell: My pleasure. And looking forward to spending more time with you too. We’re peas in a pod and [inaudible [00:32:13].
Ellen ([32:02]): Yes, we are. So, that’s it for today.
Ell : Aloha all.
Ellen: You can read the transcripts and get Ell’s contact information again at booksopendoors.com. If you missed the first part of my interview with Ell Graniel, you can listen to it at https://booksopendoors.com/podcast/imposter. Also, be sure to join me next week for episode 100 when my guest will be
Jackie Lapin, founder of SpeakerTunity. She helps leaders, authors, coaches, speakers, and entrepreneurs get booked and we’ll be talking about how she does that and how she can help you. So, be sure to join us.
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